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01:31:02 PM Fy 16 Budget Overview: Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority
02:37:54 PM Fy 16 Budget Overview: Department of Education and Early Development
03:29:02 PM Adjourn
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- FY16 Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority
- FY16 Dept. of Education & Early Development
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 28, 2015                                                                                           
                         1:30 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:30:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman  called the House Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:30 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mark Neuman, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Steve Thompson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Dan Saddler, Vice-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Lynn Gattis                                                                                                      
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
Representative Cathy Munoz                                                                                                      
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lance Pruitt                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mike Barton, Trustee, Alaska  Mental Health Trust Authority;                                                                    
Jeff Jessee,  Chief Executive Officer, Alaska  Mental Health                                                                    
Trust  Authority; Michael  Hanley, Commissioner,  Department                                                                    
of   Education  and   Early   Development;  Heidi   Teshner,                                                                    
Administrative  Services Division,  Director, Department  of                                                                    
Education   and  Early   Development;   Les  Morse,   Deputy                                                                    
Commissioner,    Department   of    Education   and    Early                                                                    
Development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
FY 16 BUDGET OVERVIEWS:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH TRUST AUTHORITY                                                                                       
     DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:31:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman discussed the agenda for the day.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
^FY  16   BUDGET  OVERVIEW:   ALASKA  MENTAL   HEALTH  TRUST                                                                  
AUTHORITY                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:31:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE BARTON,  TRUSTEE, ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH  TRUST AUTHORITY                                                                    
(AMHTA), referenced  a PowerPoint presentation  titled House                                                                    
Finance Committee"  dated January  28, 2015 (copy  on file).                                                                    
He shared  that he  had served  as the  AMHTA chair  for the                                                                    
past  couple   of  years.  He   moved  to  slide   1  titled                                                                    
"Trustees."  He  introduced  other  board  trustees  in  the                                                                    
committee room.  He communicated that trustees  were advised                                                                    
by  statutory  advisor  groups  the  Governor's  Council  on                                                                    
Disabilities  and  Special   Education,  Council  on  Aging,                                                                    
Alaska  Mental  Health  Board, and  the  Advisory  Board  on                                                                    
Alcoholism and Drug Abuse.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Neuman noted  that Vice-Chair  Saddler had  joined                                                                    
the meeting.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF JESSEE,  CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, ALASKA  MENTAL HEALTH                                                                    
TRUST  AUTHORITY,  listed  trust beneficiaries  on  slide  2                                                                    
including  individuals  with mental  illness,  developmental                                                                    
disabilities, chronic  alcoholism and other  substance abuse                                                                    
disorders,  Alzheimer's disease  and  related dementia,  and                                                                    
traumatic  brain injury.  He relayed  that prevention  was a                                                                    
significant part  of the trust's mission;  things that could                                                                    
be   done  to   prevent  individuals   from  ending   up  in                                                                    
beneficiary  status.  He  addressed the  trust's  assets  on                                                                    
slide 3. He reported that  the financial health of the trust                                                                    
was very  good. He detailed  that the Alaska  Permanent Fund                                                                    
had  been doing  well  and the  trustees  had established  a                                                                    
robust financial system. He relayed  that the trust had been                                                                    
able to  make its  payout even when  the Permanent  Fund had                                                                    
done poorly. He  stated that the system had  stood the trust                                                                    
in  good stead  for many  years. He  pointed to  a five-year                                                                    
historical and  projection chart  for revenues  and expenses                                                                    
on slide 4. He discussed that  when revenues had been in the                                                                    
negative there had continued to be  a flow of money into the                                                                    
trust  to  assist with  beneficiary  services.  He moved  to                                                                    
slide 5 titled  "Trust Land Office." He  elaborated that the                                                                    
Land  Office continued  to do  a stellar  job of  generating                                                                    
revenue  (principal and  income)  for the  trust. He  shared                                                                    
that the office  had generated nearly $100  million into the                                                                    
principal of the trust, which  continued to generate revenue                                                                    
over time (typically around $4 million annually).                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:36:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee moved to slide  6 and addressed grants awarded in                                                                    
FY 14. He explained that  two-thirds of the grant funds came                                                                    
through state  government as  Mental Health  Trust Authority                                                                    
Authorized  Receipts (MHTAAR)  and  one-third came  directly                                                                    
from  AMHTA.  He detailed  that  the  goal  was to  have  an                                                                    
integrated health  system and the  trust liked  working with                                                                    
state agencies  in a collaborative way;  however, there were                                                                    
situations when  a direct grant  was the most  efficient and                                                                    
effective  option.  He expounded  that  many  of the  direct                                                                    
grants  were  to  assist  with   capital  projects  for  new                                                                    
facilities,   renovations,   or   other.  Slide   7   showed                                                                    
anticipated  income  in  FY  16  totaling  $28  million;  it                                                                    
included a payout from principal  of $20 million, $3 million                                                                    
from prior  years' average lapse, additional  funds from the                                                                    
Land Office average spendable income, and interest average.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee  emphasized that the trust  utilized a percentage                                                                    
of  market  value  (POMV)  strategy,   which  meant  it  was                                                                    
dependent upon the revenue generated  by the Permanent Fund.                                                                    
He detailed  that the trust's  base payout was  4.25 percent                                                                    
of  the  average  value  of   the  fund's  cash  assets.  He                                                                    
explained  that the  method had  enabled the  trust to  have                                                                    
financial stability  in good  and bad  times. He  knew there                                                                    
had been many  discussions about what would  happen with the                                                                    
Permanent  Fund  and  whether  it would  switch  to  a  POMV                                                                    
methodology. He furthered  that the trust was  an example of                                                                    
a  fund that  had  switched  to POMV  and  had created  much                                                                    
stability for the AMHTA.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:39:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee moved to slide 9  that pertained to trustee FY 16                                                                    
budget  recommendations  of  slightly  over  $1  million  in                                                                    
General Fund/Mental  Health increments. A bulk  of the funds                                                                    
were  designated  to  the National  Family  Caregiver  Grant                                                                    
Program  and  Senior  In-Home Services.  He  addressed  that                                                                    
during  the   difficult  financial   climate  it   would  be                                                                    
challenging to  determine how to  have a  sustainable budget                                                                    
in the  short-term, while  looking at  strategic investments                                                                    
for the future. He discussed  challenges related to an aging                                                                    
population  such  as  the importance  of  supporting  family                                                                    
caregivers,  in-home  caregiving,  and home  healthcare.  He                                                                    
highlighted  the  potential  for  caregiver  burnout,  which                                                                    
would  mean individuals  requiring  care  would need  higher                                                                    
levels of  care. He  referred to higher  levels of  care and                                                                    
the necessary long-term thinking  associated with the issue.                                                                    
He  referenced  previous  discussions with  Co-Chair  Neuman                                                                    
related to recidivism. He elaborated  that some things could                                                                    
be done to save money in the  budget, but it was not a smart                                                                    
fiscal strategy  if it meant  the state was  heading towards                                                                    
building  another prison  in upcoming  years. He  noted that                                                                    
the senior  care issues were  an area of  particular concern                                                                    
because  they  would only  continue  to  increase in  coming                                                                    
years. He  briefly highlighted increments for  the Long-Term                                                                    
Care Ombudsman  Office, area  health education  centers, and                                                                    
the  licensed  marriage  and family  therapist  program.  He                                                                    
discussed a  proposed partnership on  information technology                                                                    
application  telehealth  service   system  improvements.  He                                                                    
stated that it was necessary  to look at alternative ways of                                                                    
delivering cost  efficient and  effective services  in order                                                                    
to  build  a  long-term   sustainable  budget.  He  believed                                                                    
telemedicine needed to  be at the top of the  list. He noted                                                                    
that there  were significant  opportunities to  partner with                                                                    
tribal health and education systems.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:42:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee  discussed slide 10  that included FY  16 capital                                                                    
recommendations.  He  explained   that  the  slide  included                                                                    
historical numbers that had gone  into the capital budget to                                                                    
cover  deferred maintenance  on  nonprofit facilities,  home                                                                    
modifications  and upgrades  to retain  housing for  elderly                                                                    
family members, the Homeless  Assistance Project and Special                                                                    
Needs  Housing  Grant,  and coordinated  transportation.  He                                                                    
elaborated that  home modifications  were a  good investment                                                                    
if it  allowed an elderly  family member to remain  at home,                                                                    
thereby reducing  long-term costs for the  state for out-of-                                                                    
home  care. He  relayed that  a significant  portion of  the                                                                    
Homeless Assistance  Project funding went  towards operating                                                                    
homeless  assistance  programs;  services for  the  homeless                                                                    
population would  cease without  the funding. The  trust had                                                                    
partnered  with  the   Alaska  Housing  Finance  Corporation                                                                    
(AHFC) on the special needs  housing grant to secure housing                                                                    
for high  users of  community services.  He referred  to the                                                                    
Housing First program under evaluation  by the University of                                                                    
Alaska.  He  detailed  that  the  program  did  not  require                                                                    
residents to get  sober prior to being  housed. The strategy                                                                    
was to provide housing first,  which increased the health of                                                                    
the   individuals   while    dramatically   reducing   costs                                                                    
associated  with hospital  visits, alcohol,  and other.  The                                                                    
hope was  that some  of the individuals  would move  on into                                                                    
permanent   housing.   Coordinated   transportation   helped                                                                    
beneficiaries access needed services and work.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee addressed  slide  11  titled "Established  Focus                                                                    
Areas." He  spoke to disability justice  related to reducing                                                                    
recidivism and pulling  individuals out of the  cycle of the                                                                    
criminal justice  system through therapeutic,  mental health                                                                    
courts, and  other. He discussed substance  abuse prevention                                                                    
and  treatment,  which  the trust  believed  it  could  make                                                                    
progress on  over time. He  reminded the committee  that the                                                                    
McDowell  Group had  reported the  cost of  alcohol as  $1.2                                                                    
billion  to the  State of  Alaska. He  asked how  the number                                                                    
could  be  accurate.  In  response,  he  addressed  criminal                                                                    
behavior  related  to  alcohol,  child  protection  and  the                                                                    
Office of  Children's Services  caseload driven  by alcohol,                                                                    
lost  productivity at  work  due to  alcohol  abuse, all  of                                                                    
which represented  a substantial costs. He  reasoned that if                                                                    
demand for alcohol could be  cut it would have a significant                                                                    
impact.   He  spoke   to  the   importance  of   beneficiary                                                                    
employment and engagement; with  an emphasis on getting real                                                                    
jobs in the  community. He stated that whether  the price of                                                                    
oil  was below  $50  or  above $100,  the  trust wanted  its                                                                    
beneficiaries  to  be  the  least  dependent  on  government                                                                    
programs  as possible.  He  elaborated that  it  was in  the                                                                    
beneficiaries' long-term  interest in terms of  services and                                                                    
as fully  functional members of the  community. He mentioned                                                                    
advertisements produced  by AMHTA  with the goal  of getting                                                                    
employers to  understand that trust beneficiaries  were real                                                                    
workers; in  many cases they  were more  reliable, longevity                                                                    
was better,  and they were  appreciative to get a  check. He                                                                    
addressed workforce development and efforts in the area.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Jessee   addressed   the   importance   of   workforce                                                                    
development  on slide  11. He  noted that  workforce demands                                                                    
could increase if Medicaid expansion  took place. He relayed                                                                    
that  AMHTA  had the  infrastructure  in  place through  its                                                                    
trust training  collaborative to ensure it  had people ready                                                                    
to  take  the  jobs.  He looked  at  housing  and  long-term                                                                    
services   and  supports   for  seniors   and  others   with                                                                    
disabilities, which  would enable  them to  stay at  home to                                                                    
the maximum extent possible.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:49:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee moved to slide  12 related to the trust's current                                                                    
priorities:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · Medicaid Expansion and Reform                                                                                              
   · Recidivism                                                                                                                 
   · Substance Abuse Prevention & Treatment                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee  addressed  Medicaid   expansion  on  slides  13                                                                    
through  15. He  relayed  that expansion  would impact  many                                                                    
trust beneficiaries. He stated  that projections were around                                                                    
40,000.  He  stressed  that the  expansion  opportunity  was                                                                    
particularly significant  for single males between  the ages                                                                    
of 18 to 65 (who had  not been eligible previously), many of                                                                    
whom  were  using  substance abuse  treatment  services.  He                                                                    
continued  that  the  Division   of  Behavioral  Health  was                                                                    
estimating  that 5,000  beneficiaries would  become Medicaid                                                                    
eligible. He  elaborated that as  the new  population gained                                                                    
coverage there would be some  offsets and savings to general                                                                    
funds. He stated that initially  Medicaid expansion would be                                                                    
100  percent covered  and would  drop to  90 percent  in the                                                                    
future. He expounded that the  needed services would not all                                                                    
be  covered by  Medicaid.  Another  important component  was                                                                    
timing related  to expansion and  when the savings  would be                                                                    
recognized (e.g. July  1, 2015 or a later time).  He did not                                                                    
believe  the  state  would  have  100  percent  of  Medicaid                                                                    
expansion on July 1.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman  relayed that  questions would  be addressed                                                                    
after the presentation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee  continued on slide  16 related to the  impact of                                                                    
Medicaid expansion  on the Department of  Corrections (DOC).                                                                    
He addressed  that inmates may become  Medicaid eligible and                                                                    
some of the costs for  inmate inpatient stays may be offset.                                                                    
He  pointed  to the  estimate  that  $6.8 million  to  $7.65                                                                    
million  could  be  paid  for  with  federal  Medicaid,  but                                                                    
believed  the savings  would not  be achieved  in the  first                                                                    
year. He emphasized  that the savings were  all dependent on                                                                    
the  timing of  how expansion  was implemented.  He did  not                                                                    
believe it  would be  possible to  continue with  the status                                                                    
quo under  the expansion.  He stressed that  expansion would                                                                    
have  to  be used  as  a  catalyst  for reform  (slide  17);                                                                    
exactly what  the reform looked  like was not yet  known. He                                                                    
addressed the desire to move to  a system that paid more for                                                                    
outcomes  and less  for activities.  The  trust was  working                                                                    
with  the  department on  developing  a  contract to  obtain                                                                    
input  from  others   (particularly  related  to  behavioral                                                                    
health) to  help the state  understand how other  states had                                                                    
used  expansion to  catalyze reform  and what  may work  for                                                                    
Alaska. He believed the reform  was critical. He stated that                                                                    
current Medicaid projections were unsustainable.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:54:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee continued to speak  to slide 17. He stressed that                                                                    
it  was  critical to  help  develop  a sustainable  Medicaid                                                                    
system  in  Alaska. He  believed  that  the Medicaid  system                                                                    
would  collapse  at  some  point  if it  did  not  become  a                                                                    
sustainable system.  He added that the  collapse could occur                                                                    
sooner if  the price  of oil did  not increase.  He stressed                                                                    
that a  sustainable system was  in the best interest  of the                                                                    
state and the  trust's beneficiaries. He turned  to slide 18                                                                    
related  to  recidivism. He  stated  that  one of  the  best                                                                    
opportunities  to reduce  long-term  budget  demands was  by                                                                    
investing   in   proven   strategies  to   reduce   criminal                                                                    
recidivism. He spoke to other  states such as Texas that had                                                                    
been successful  in curbing  recidivism and  avoiding future                                                                    
prison   construction.  He   moved   to   slide  19   titled                                                                    
"Disability Justice...Investing Wisely?"  The slide included                                                                    
a historical chart  projecting that the state  would need to                                                                    
open  a prison  in 2012;  it had  opened a  prison right  on                                                                    
schedule.  He detailed  that the  state was  on the  path to                                                                    
open another prison  in a couple of years.  However, the red                                                                    
line  showed a  way to  match the  prison population  to the                                                                    
available  beds,  but  it  would   require  a  data  driven,                                                                    
evidence-based approach to  implement strategies, constantly                                                                    
monitor the results, and fine  tune the strategies to ensure                                                                    
the  desired results  were achieved.  He stated  that unlike                                                                    
Bring the Kids  Home, if the state failed  at the recidivism                                                                    
effort  there  would  be significant  state  liability.  The                                                                    
trust  believed  that  Medicaid expansion  was  one  of  the                                                                    
state's best opportunities to pay for many of the services.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee looked  as slide  20 related  to recommendations                                                                    
associated with recidivism:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · Maintain efforts of current policy and program efforts                                                                     
        o 2014 SB64 passed and created Alaska Criminal                                                                          
          Justice Commission                                                                                                    
        o 2014 HB266 Legislative intent: workgroup formed                                                                       
          to develop Recidivism Reduction Plan (to be                                                                           
          delivered Feb. 2, 2015)                                                                                               
        o 2007 Criminal Justice Working Group                                                                                   
        o 2005 Trust disability justice focus area                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee  elaborated  that the  Alaska  Criminal  Justice                                                                    
Commission  was  looking  at  things  like  barrier  crimes,                                                                    
levels of sentences,  and other. He referred  to a statement                                                                    
by  Representative Craig  Johnson that  it was  necessary to                                                                    
assess "how  mad we are,  and how  afraid we are  of people"                                                                    
because  those  were  the   reasons  for  incarceration.  He                                                                    
believed the  state needed to  look at  what it could  do to                                                                    
address the issue. He stated  that the state may have become                                                                    
tougher on  crime, but  it may not  have gotten  smarter. He                                                                    
discussed  that   Co-Chair  Neuman  had  been   integral  in                                                                    
developing  HB 266  in 2014,  which encompassed  legislative                                                                    
intent  to   form  a  workgroup  to   develop  a  recidivism                                                                    
reduction plan. He  opined that the bill  represented a leap                                                                    
in conceptual thinking.  He elaborated that in  the past the                                                                    
state  had  looked  at  criminal justice  in  terms  of  the                                                                    
Departments  of  Corrections,  Law,   and  other.  The  bill                                                                    
recognized  that it  was not  necessarily these  departments                                                                    
that  would be  leading the  charge  to keep  people out  of                                                                    
prison. He recognized that DOC  had a significant role while                                                                    
people  are  incarcerated,  in treatment  services,  and  in                                                                    
supervised  release. He  stressed that  most prisoners  were                                                                    
not released  into supervision;  the bill's  intent language                                                                    
recognized three  things to  keep recidivism  down including                                                                    
housing,   employment,   and   support  for   recovery.   He                                                                    
elaborated  that the  intent language  had included  various                                                                    
agencies  including  AHFC,  the   Department  of  Labor  and                                                                    
Workforce Development,  the Department of Health  and Social                                                                    
Services (DHSS), and  AMHTA. The trust was  hopeful that the                                                                    
Recidivism   Reduction  Plan   would  start   to  give   the                                                                    
legislature a road map on how to approach the issue.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Neuman asked  for verification  that  DOC and  the                                                                    
Department of  Public Safety would  be included.  Mr. Jessee                                                                    
agreed.  He  continued to  address  slide  20. The  Criminal                                                                    
Justice Working  Group was  an administration-led  effort to                                                                    
pull the  Court System  together with commissioners  to look                                                                    
at the  criminal justice system  from an  inside perspective                                                                    
and at what could be done  to make things more efficient and                                                                    
effective.  Lastly,  there  had   been  a  trust  disability                                                                    
justice focus  area since 2005.  He stated that there  was a                                                                    
crescendo  that  was  matching  the  exigency  felt  by  the                                                                    
legislature related  to the budget and  the looming prospect                                                                    
of  another prison  or major  expenditures for  out-of-state                                                                    
housing of prisoners.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:01:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee discussed  broadband  on slides  21  and 22.  He                                                                    
relayed  that  the  trust  had  been  asked  to  assess  the                                                                    
potential impact of expanded broadband  use on the long-term                                                                    
General  Fund operating  costs. He  detailed that  the trust                                                                    
had begun  to look at  the statewide tribal health  and K-12                                                                    
education systems and at  opportunities for partnerships. He                                                                    
had  met with  the chief  operations officer  of the  Tribal                                                                    
Health  Consortium and  subsequently with  all of  the chief                                                                    
investment officers from all of  the health corporations. He                                                                    
had reported to  the group that the  state's broadband study                                                                    
had  indicated  another  broadband  system  was  needed.  He                                                                    
stated that  many of the  telemedicine services were  in the                                                                    
tribal organizations' "health wheelhouse."  He had asked the                                                                    
organizations about opportunities for  partnership to try to                                                                    
use  some of  the resources  together. He  relayed that  the                                                                    
organizations  had  been  receptive.  He  had  learned  that                                                                    
currently the  technology and broadband capacity  was not as                                                                    
much  an  impairment  to  expanding  telehealth  as  program                                                                    
development. He stated  that it was not  just the technology                                                                    
any longer, it  was getting the programs  developed in order                                                                    
to  have   billable  hours  to  handle   electronic  records                                                                    
properly.  He  stressed  that  the   state  was  lagging  in                                                                    
programmatic infrastructure development.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee discussed  that the  education  system also  had                                                                    
access   to  broadband.   He  addressed   opportunities  for                                                                    
partnership. For example, Alaska  Children and Family was an                                                                    
Anchorage agency  that had  reached out  to upper  and lower                                                                    
Kalskag  in  the  Yukon Kuskokwim  region  to  offer  remote                                                                    
telehealth  services  for  children  with  severe  emotional                                                                    
disturbances. He  elaborated that  it used a  combination of                                                                    
occasional   site  visits   in  addition   to  the   use  of                                                                    
telemedicine  to check  in with  the child  and family  on a                                                                    
regular basis. He  noted that there had been  no extra state                                                                    
broadband capacity in the region,  but it had been available                                                                    
in the school. Therefore, the  services had been included in                                                                    
the   child's  independent   education   plan  for   special                                                                    
education, which  had allowed the  Anchorage agency  to have                                                                    
access to  the broadband.  He added  that the  situation had                                                                    
been very successful. He spoke  to better utilizing what was                                                                    
currently  available instead  of reinventing  the wheel.  He                                                                    
explained  that  some  of the  tribal  funding  systems  and                                                                    
education systems had limitations to  what they could do. He                                                                    
discussed that Alaska could not  afford to maintain multiple                                                                    
systems in rural  Alaska and that some  barriers may require                                                                    
congressional action. He stressed  the importance of getting                                                                    
maximum utilization of the existing systems.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:05:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee  turned to  slide  23  that addressed  substance                                                                    
abuse prevention and treatment:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   · The prevalence rates and negative consequences of                                                                          
     alcohol and drug abuse upon Alaskans are substantial.                                                                      
   · In 2010, Alaska's costs associated with individuals                                                                        
     dependent on or abusing alcohol/drugs was $1.2                                                                             
     billion.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee offered  to provide the committee with  a copy of                                                                    
the McDowell Group report on  substance abuse prevention and                                                                    
treatment. He moved to slide  24 and discussed collaboration                                                                    
on  joint  strategies.  He highlighted  Recover  Alaska,  an                                                                    
initiative  by the  Rasmuson Foundation;  the Mat-Su  Health                                                                    
Foundation;   and  the   Denali  Commission.   Additionally,                                                                    
judges, advocates,  providers, and tribal groups  had pulled                                                                    
together to  look at how  the private sector  may contribute                                                                    
to reducing  the impact  of alcohol abuse  in the  state. He                                                                    
discussed the Alaska Wellness  Coalition, which was starting                                                                    
a positive  social norms campaign.  He referred to  a recent                                                                    
commercial about a  man with throat cancer.  He relayed that                                                                    
scientific  research was  pointing to  the effectiveness  of                                                                    
positive  approaches. For  example,  children  wanted to  be                                                                    
normal.  He  pointed  out  the  effectiveness  of  educating                                                                    
children that  most kids do not  drink and most kids  do not                                                                    
smoke.  He spoke  to a  kid's  perception that  "everybody's                                                                    
doing it and if everybody's doing  it then I should be doing                                                                    
it." He believed the positive  approach would be interesting                                                                    
to  see. He  added that  when  the State  of Washington  had                                                                    
evaluated  a variety  of intervention  strategies for  cost-                                                                    
benefit  analysis,  it  had evaluated  the  Scared  Straight                                                                    
program.  The program  took children  who  got into  trouble                                                                    
into  prisons  or other  to  try  to  scare them  away  from                                                                    
committing crimes. He relayed  that the program had actually                                                                    
increased   criminal  behavior.   He   discussed  that   the                                                                    
evidence-based practice was an evolving area.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee briefly highlighted  the Alcohol Beverage Control                                                                    
Board and  the implementation of Proposition  2 (marijuana).                                                                    
He  believed the  implementation  would present  one of  the                                                                    
largest social  challenges to the state.  He highlighted the                                                                    
lower portion of slide 24:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · Partnership with Department of Corrections on the                                                                          
     recidivism reduction planning with opportunities for                                                                       
     Trust investment in:                                                                                                       
        o Prisoner re-entry coalitions                                                                                          
        o Access to effective treatment                                                                                         
        o Prevention strategies focused on incarcerated                                                                         
          parents and their children                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee hoped committee members  would have the chance to                                                                    
hear   DOC  Commissioner   Taylor  discuss   the  work   the                                                                    
department was  doing in  the area.  He stressed  that under                                                                    
prior administrations  the services  had been  decimated. He                                                                    
noted that  the department was  working hard to  rebuild the                                                                    
programs related to the reduction of recidivism.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:09:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee discussed Title 4  on slide 25. He addressed that                                                                    
a couple of  years earlier the legislature  had decided that                                                                    
the Alcohol Beverage Control Board  should be moved from the                                                                    
Department of  Public Safety to the  Department of Commerce,                                                                    
Community and Economic Development.  He noted that the trust                                                                    
had  lost  the  argument.  He stated  that  the  effort  had                                                                    
revealed that  the state's Title  4 statutory  framework had                                                                    
not been reviewed for some time  and had developed in a very                                                                    
haphazard manner,  usually by a  special interest  getting a                                                                    
legislator  to   sponsor  legislation  to  get   around  the                                                                    
population  base licensing  limits by  creating new  license                                                                    
types  (e.g.  recreational  site licenses,  remote  military                                                                    
contractor license,  and that only  a florist  could deliver                                                                    
alcohol to  a hotel room).  He relayed that it  was positive                                                                    
that the trust  partnered with the ABC Board and  a group of                                                                    
over  60 people  from  industry, public  health, and  public                                                                    
safety to  address how to  simplify and decrease  the number                                                                    
of  license  types,  update  the fees  to  support  the  ABC                                                                    
budget,  realign the  system  to  better enforce  population                                                                    
limits,  and bring  all of  the licenses,  endorsements, and                                                                    
permits into one place in statute.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee furthered that there  were areas of common ground                                                                    
with  industry (slide  27). The  trust agreed  with industry                                                                    
that  a   limited  entry  system  was   in  everyone's  best                                                                    
interest; it protected the value  of industry's business and                                                                    
it  was  in the  trust's  interest  because it  limited  the                                                                    
number  of outlets.  He stated  that the  current system  of                                                                    
dealing  with underage  drinking  was  broken. He  discussed                                                                    
current  consequences  such  as  suspension  of  a  driver's                                                                    
license,  mandatory  community  service  and  treatment.  He                                                                    
furthered that  the courts  had required  a higher  level of                                                                    
due  process because  of  the  consequences; therefore,  the                                                                    
police  had to  write an  entire report.  He continued  that                                                                    
from a  police officer's perspective it  was discouraging on                                                                    
a Friday  or Saturday night to  have to write a  report when                                                                    
they needed to get back  out to patrol; therefore, sometimes                                                                    
the  report  was  not  written.  He  spoke  to  inconsistent                                                                    
enforcement related to the issue.  He added that because the                                                                    
citations  were issued  in adult  court they  stayed on  the                                                                    
individual's   record  forever,   which  impacted   military                                                                    
service,  scholarships,  and  other. He  addressed  underage                                                                    
drinking  revisions on  slides 28  and 29.  The goal  was to                                                                    
reform underage drinking sanctions  to hold adults providing                                                                    
alcohol  to  minors  accountable.   He  discussed  that  the                                                                    
recommendation  would  be  to change  the  punishment  to  a                                                                    
straight $500  fine; if the fine  was not paid, it  would be                                                                    
garnished  from  an  individual's  Permanent  Fund  Dividend                                                                    
(PFD).  The trust  believed the  change would  lead to  more                                                                    
consistent  enforcement.  Additionally,  the  trust  thought                                                                    
some  parents  would be  more  concerned  about their  child                                                                    
losing a portion of their  PFD than with drinking. The trust                                                                    
did not want to make  the offenders criminals. He added that                                                                    
the fine  could be  applied to  treatment. He  remarked that                                                                    
tickets would  help identify individuals  receiving multiple                                                                    
tickets.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:14:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee mentioned local option  revisions on slide 30. He                                                                    
moved to slide  31 related to marijuana. He  stated that the                                                                    
substance was not  safe or good for people.  He had recently                                                                    
been  in  Colorado learning  about  challenges  it had  with                                                                    
legalization, specifically around  edibles and concentrates.                                                                    
He noted that there was substantial work to be done.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman thanked Mr. Jessee  for his presentation. He                                                                    
referred to budget item recommendations.  He wondered if the                                                                    
items were  currently in the  governor's budget.  Mr. Jessee                                                                    
believed some  were and some were  not. He did not  have the                                                                    
detail at present. He had not seen the final budget detail.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman referred to  the discussion on telemedicine.                                                                    
He remarked  that internet  access was  available throughout                                                                    
most of  Alaska. He  discussed the  use of  telemedicine for                                                                    
alcohol  treatment programs  and  other.  He mentioned  drug                                                                    
testing  and  wondered if  there  were  databases the  state                                                                    
could access  that would reduce  costs. Mr.  Jessee provided                                                                    
an   example  related   to  electronic   breathalyzers  that                                                                    
connected to  the internet and provided  proof an individual                                                                    
was not  intoxicated. He stated that  the technology existed                                                                    
and could be expanded to any village.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gattis  shared that  she  owned  a farm  and                                                                    
tried to help people out; the  farm was located 55 miles out                                                                    
of Wasilla. She spoke to  challenges with taking off time to                                                                    
drive an  employee 55 miles  for drug testing.  She wondered                                                                    
how businesses could access electronic  drug testing to make                                                                    
things easier.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee noted  that urine  tests  were more  complicated                                                                    
because it  was necessary  to be tight  on the  sampling. He                                                                    
discussed that  with the FaceTime breathalyzer  it took away                                                                    
the  error rate  of the  urine  test. He  reasoned that  the                                                                    
entrepreneurial  spirit would  start when  the state  became                                                                    
committed  to  maximizing   the  technology.  He  questioned                                                                    
whether a consideration would be involving local clinics.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman  remarked that there were  many options that                                                                    
did not involve  sending state employees out to  do the work                                                                    
related  to  individuals  on  probation  or  to  investigate                                                                    
things like  Medicaid fraud. He reasoned  that the resources                                                                    
were available statewide, but they  were not being utilized.                                                                    
He had been  working with DOC and others  on making progress                                                                    
on the issue.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:21:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Jessee  wondered   about  utilizing   the  Office   of                                                                    
Children's Services. He spoke  to the opportunity for social                                                                    
workers to better handle their  caseloads through the use of                                                                    
videoconferencing on a more regular  basis. He observed that                                                                    
there were many opportunities available.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Saddler  pointed to slide 15  related to Medicaid                                                                    
expansion. He referred to testimony  earlier in the day from                                                                    
the   Division  of   Juvenile   Justice  that   incarcerated                                                                    
juveniles  were  not eligible  for  Medicaid.  He asked  for                                                                    
verification  that  incarcerated  adults were  eligible  for                                                                    
Medicaid. He wondered about the reason for the discrepancy.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee answered that his  understanding was that the DOC                                                                    
adult  population would  have some  eligibility. He  did not                                                                    
have information about juveniles.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Saddler  asked if adult prisoners  were currently                                                                    
eligible for Medicaid. Mr. Jessee replied in the negative.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Saddler  wondered if  people in other  states who                                                                    
were  beneficiaries  of  the  trust  were  benefitting  from                                                                    
Medicaid expansion.  Mr. Jessee replied in  the affirmative.                                                                    
He elaborated  that part of  the work the contract  would do                                                                    
in conjunction with departments  would entail looking at the                                                                    
states that  had maximized the  value of  Medicaid expansion                                                                    
to  serve the  trust's  beneficiaries and  to contain  state                                                                    
healthcare costs.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman  stated that  the previous  year if  the DOC                                                                    
commissioner  had been  asked whether  Medicaid could  cover                                                                    
inmates  the  answer  would  have been  no;  however,  if  a                                                                    
prisoner was  outside a prison  for more than 24  hours they                                                                    
may qualify.  He provided an  example related to  a pregnant                                                                    
woman who had  been in jail with an  expensive and difficult                                                                    
pregnancy. The  jail had taken  her outside the  prison gate                                                                    
23  hours before  she had  given  birth; she  had then  been                                                                    
taken to the  hospital to deliver the baby.  He relayed that                                                                    
Medicaid  had  paid  for  the  entire  cost.  He  asked  for                                                                    
verification that his understanding was accurate.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee agreed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Neuman discussed  the  concept of  pre-eligibility                                                                    
for  Medicaid assistance  for inmates  in  order to  prevent                                                                    
people  from  falling  through   the  cracks.  He  spoke  to                                                                    
significant costs  to the state  for covering  healthcare of                                                                    
prisoners. He  spoke to the  benefit of working  to increase                                                                    
healthy  lifestyles.  He  remarked   on  the  percentage  of                                                                    
inmates who were AMHTA beneficiaries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee noted that the figure was 65 percent.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman remarked that the  trust had a huge interest                                                                    
in reducing recidivism and the cost.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:24:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee stated  that corrections had acted  as a national                                                                    
leader because of  its work to prequalify  people for social                                                                    
security before  they left the correctional  institution. He                                                                    
remarked  that  half  of recidivism  occurred  in  the  year                                                                    
following  release from  prison;  therefore, it  was a  huge                                                                    
advantage  if a  person  was already  eligible for  services                                                                    
when they left prison.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  clarified  that   he  and  many  other                                                                    
legislators had not voted to move  the ABC Board from DPS to                                                                    
DCCED. Mr. Jessee apologized for the broad statement.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara  referred   to   Mr.  Jessee's   three                                                                    
categories of funds  the state would become  eligible for if                                                                    
it  accepted  Medicaid  expansion. The  categories  included                                                                    
people   with  substance   abuse  problems,   people  facing                                                                    
homelessness,  and  prisoners.   He  wondered  how  Medicaid                                                                    
expansion  would help  people  in ways  that  they were  not                                                                    
currently benefitted.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee  answered that  in the  past, single  adult males                                                                    
between  the ages  of  18  and 65  (even  if  they were  low                                                                    
income)  did  not qualify  for  Medicaid.  He detailed  that                                                                    
single adult  males between the  ages of  18 and 65,  were a                                                                    
big part  of the  homeless and substance  abuse populations.                                                                    
He  believed   that  DHSS  and  DOC   could  provide  better                                                                    
information on Medicaid expansion eligibility.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  asked  if   single  females  who  were                                                                    
homeless  or had  substance  abuse  problems were  currently                                                                    
covered by Medicaid. Alternatively,  he wondered if Medicaid                                                                    
coverage  only applied  to single  women with  a child.  Mr.                                                                    
Jessee replied that  single women with a  child were covered                                                                    
by Medicaid.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  asked  for  verification  that  single                                                                    
adult  females who  were not  pregnant  and did  not have  a                                                                    
child  would  become  eligible.   Mr.  Jessee  deferred  the                                                                    
question to the administration.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara remarked that  he would continue to look                                                                    
for  an answer  to inmates.  He noted  that he  had not  yet                                                                    
received an answer.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Saddler  asked  about   slides  23  and  24.  He                                                                    
referred to Mr. Jessee's  testimony that substance abuse was                                                                    
a  difficult  issue  in  many  of  the  small  rural  Native                                                                    
communities.  He  wondered  if   there  was  evidence  of  a                                                                    
correlation between  the size of  a village and the  rate of                                                                    
substance  abuse. He  wondered  if a  larger  village had  a                                                                    
lower rate of  substance abuse. Mr. Jessee was  not aware of                                                                    
any specific  data. He believed  substance abuse  was evenly                                                                    
spread between communities.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Saddler  asked  if any  conclusions  related  to                                                                    
substance  abuse could  be drawn  between rural  communities                                                                    
and larger cities such as  Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Juneau.                                                                    
Mr. Jessee  believed there  were cases  where the  impact in                                                                    
smaller  communities  was more  immediate  on  the sense  of                                                                    
community,  in  comparison  with a  larger  community  where                                                                    
problems could be isolated to specific neighborhoods.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:28:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Munoz discussed  that she  had recently  met                                                                    
with  representatives from  the  National  Alliance for  the                                                                    
Mentally  Ill (NAMI).  She explained  that the  organization                                                                    
held trainings  throughout the state  to help  families cope                                                                    
with mental illness  in their families. She  stated that the                                                                    
organization  was  currently  struggling  for  funding.  She                                                                    
asked if AMHTA had opportunities to support families.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jessee  replied in the  affirmative. He  elaborated that                                                                    
the trust's Beneficiary Projects  Initiative had worked with                                                                    
NAMI Alaska; the  trust had provided NAMI with  a grant that                                                                    
had  allowed it  to  establish  the organization  statewide.                                                                    
Additionally,  the trust  had  recently  provided a  $10,000                                                                    
grant for a NAMI training.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Munoz asked  whether the  trust was  working                                                                    
with  legislators  or  the administration  on  the  underage                                                                    
drinking  revisions.  Mr. Jessee  replied  that  a bill  was                                                                    
currently  being  drafted.  He   did  not  believe  a  final                                                                    
decision had been made on how  to bring the bill forward. He                                                                    
noted that the bill would have support from many people.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Edgmon   commended   the  board   for   its                                                                    
conservative approach and long-term  planning. He lauded the                                                                    
trust  for recognizing  the state's  declining revenues  the                                                                    
past  September.  He  asked for  further  detail  about  the                                                                    
dramatic  increase   (from  42  to  65   percent)  in  AMHTA                                                                    
beneficiaries in the state's prison system.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee  replied  that the  evaluation  of  the  trust's                                                                    
beneficiaries  in  the  correctional   system  had  been  an                                                                    
evolving  strategy. The  department  was  getting better  at                                                                    
assessing  incoming  inmates  and   was  getting  better  at                                                                    
identifying  trust  beneficiaries  at the  frontend  and  in                                                                    
developing  programming  for  the individuals.  He  did  not                                                                    
believe there were more beneficiaries  in the prison system,                                                                    
but the department had improved  its ability to identify the                                                                    
individuals as trust beneficiaries.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon had  been told in a  recent DOC budget                                                                    
subcommittee meeting  that based  on a several  year report,                                                                    
the trust  had begun to  include substance abuse  inmates in                                                                    
the definition  of trust beneficiaries. Mr.  Jessee answered                                                                    
in the  affirmative and added  that the definition  had been                                                                    
expanded as well.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:31:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Neuman  referred  to  Mr.  Jessee's  testimony  on                                                                    
tribal health partnerships. He spoke  to the goal of getting                                                                    
the juvenile justice system into  the hands of local control                                                                    
(taking  them  out of  state  agencies  and moving  them  to                                                                    
tribal  control  where  better  funds  were  available).  He                                                                    
believed  tribal  organizations  understood  the  local  and                                                                    
regional  issues better  and  provided  better outcomes.  He                                                                    
noted  that   as  the  legislature  worked   to  reduce  the                                                                    
operating   budget   it   made   sense   to   transfer   the                                                                    
responsibility of services.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee  pointed  out  that  the  Division  of  Juvenile                                                                    
Justice was a  very successful agency. He  detailed that the                                                                    
division had  been at the forefront  of incorporating trauma                                                                    
informed  treatment  and  care  in its  facilities;  it  had                                                                    
dramatically  decreased seclusion  and  restraint. He  hoped                                                                    
that skills the division  had acquired would be disseminated                                                                    
to other agencies if they were involved.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman discussed  unmeasurable effects of substance                                                                    
abuse  including  sexual  assault,  domestic  violence,  and                                                                    
other that impacted individuals for  a lifetime and cost the                                                                    
state a considerable amount of money.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jessee he  agreed that  working "farther  upstream" and                                                                    
looking   at   adverse   childhood  experiences   to   build                                                                    
resilience for kids  when they are young was  the best long-                                                                    
term investment to make.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman advised committee  members to use Mr. Jessee                                                                    
as a  resource. He thanked  Mr. Jessee for  his presentation                                                                    
and the work done by the committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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^FY 16  BUDGET OVERVIEW:  DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION  AND EARLY                                                                  
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:37:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Neuman   recognized  former   Representative  Bill                                                                    
Thomas in the committee room.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  HANLEY, COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF  EDUCATION AND                                                                    
EARLY    DEVELOPMENT   (DEED),    provided   a    PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation  titled  "Alaska  Department of  Education  and                                                                    
Early Development FY2016 Budget  Overview" dated January 28,                                                                    
2015  (copy on  file). He  communicated that  the department                                                                    
was  slightly unique  because the  State Board  of Education                                                                    
and  Early   Development  was  the   head  instead   of  the                                                                    
commissioner.   He  relayed   that   the  commissioner   was                                                                    
appointed by the state board and approved by the governor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:38:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley outlined  DEED organizational  chart on                                                                    
slide  2.   He  noted that  the  department's structure  was                                                                    
relatively  small and  was  made up  of  five divisions.  He                                                                    
highlighted Teaching  and Learning Support,  School Finance,                                                                    
and  Administrative Services  as the  core functions  of the                                                                    
department.  Other  divisions  included Mt.  Edgecumbe  High                                                                    
School and Libraries, Archives,  and Museums. The department                                                                    
also  housed   the  Alaska  State   Council  on   the  Arts,                                                                    
Professional   Teaching   Practices  Commission,   and   the                                                                    
Commission  on Postsecondary  Education. He  noted that  the                                                                    
boards had some autonomy from the department.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  spoke  to the  department's  statutory                                                                    
responsibilities  on  slide   3.  The  state's  constitution                                                                    
specified  that the  legislature was  required to  establish                                                                    
and maintain a  system of public schools,  which was largely                                                                    
conducted by DEED with  the legislature's authorization; the                                                                    
funding   component    remained   with    the   legislature.                                                                    
Statutorily  the purpose  of education  was  to help  ensure                                                                    
that  all  students would  succeed  in  their education  and                                                                    
work. He  added that the new  buzz term for the  concept was                                                                    
"being  college   and  career   ready."  He   addressed  the                                                                    
department's  mission  to   ensure  quality  standards-based                                                                    
instruction   to  improve   academic  achievement   for  all                                                                    
students (slide 4). He addressed  the department's four core                                                                    
services   beginning   with   public  school   funding.   He                                                                    
elaborated  that the  department's budget  was approximately                                                                    
$1.7 billion  (the second largest  in the state  budget); it                                                                    
had  the  responsibility  to ensure  that  the  funding  was                                                                    
appropriately  distributed.  The  second  core  service  was                                                                    
providing fiscal  accountability related  to how  funds were                                                                    
utilized within  districts.  Third, the  department assisted                                                                    
districts by  providing programs. Fourth, it  partnered with                                                                    
state  and  private  organizations to  provide  services  to                                                                    
enhance  education  in  the state.  Examples  included,  the                                                                    
Alaska Native Science and  Engineering Program (ANSEP), Best                                                                    
Beginnings, and other.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:42:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley addressed  division details beginning on                                                                    
slide  5.  The largest  was  the  Division of  Teaching  and                                                                    
Learning Support.  The division  accounted for  14.7 percent                                                                    
of  the DEED  budget  and was  responsible  for making  sure                                                                    
funding  went to  the appropriate  location in  an effective                                                                    
and  efficient  way.  The Division  of  School  Finance  and                                                                    
Facilities  monitored  and  worked  with  the  bulk  of  the                                                                    
funding going  out to school  districts including  funds for                                                                    
transportation,  the  Base  Student Allocation  (BSA),  debt                                                                    
reimbursement,  and other.  The  Division of  Administrative                                                                    
Services  accounted  for  0.3 percent  of  the  department's                                                                    
budget (slide  6). Heidi Teshner headed  the division, which                                                                    
was responsible  for making  sure the  work done  within the                                                                    
department  was  done  appropriately  and  that  funds  were                                                                    
accounted  for. The  Division  of  Libraries, Archives,  and                                                                    
Museums represented  1 percent  of the  department's budget.                                                                    
The department was excited about  the upcoming completion of                                                                    
the  State Library  Museum Archives  (SLAM) building,  which                                                                    
would  consolidate three  locations into  one. He  noted the                                                                    
building would create substantial efficiencies.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson asked for  clarification on the budget                                                                    
percentages.  He  wondered  if the  foundation  formula  was                                                                    
included  in  the  percentages shown  in  the  presentation.                                                                    
Commissioner  Hanley  replied   that  the  percentages  only                                                                    
included agency operations.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HEIDI TESHNER,  ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES  DIVISION, DIRECTOR,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION  AND  EARLY DEVELOPMENT,  corrected                                                                    
that the  percentages included  the K-12  foundation formula                                                                    
and everything else.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Wilson   requested   a  breakout   of   the                                                                    
department expenditures excluding the foundation formula.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley added  that  the presentation  included                                                                    
slides breaking  out the formula  and agency funds.  The Mt.                                                                    
Edgecumbe Boarding  School accounted for 0.7  percent of the                                                                    
department's  budget  (slide  7). He  mentioned  the  Alaska                                                                    
State  Council  on  the   Arts,  the  Professional  Teaching                                                                    
Practices   Commission,  and   the   Alaska  Commission   on                                                                    
Postsecondary  Education  (ACPE).   He  detailed  that  ACPE                                                                    
largely  provided resources  for  students  beyond the  K-12                                                                    
system;  the  agency  provided  loans  and  implemented  the                                                                    
Alaska  Performance Scholarship  (APS).  The  Office of  the                                                                    
Commissioner employed  five full-time positions  that worked                                                                    
to provide the department's direction (slide 9).                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley addressed  key performance  measures on                                                                    
slides 10  and 11. Slide  10 included a chart  depicting the                                                                    
statewide four-year graduation rate.  He noted that although                                                                    
the agency  had strong local  control, it was  difficult for                                                                    
the  department  to  have a  direct  impact;  however,  DEED                                                                    
worked  alongside  districts  to  empower  them  to  make  a                                                                    
difference.  The graduation  rate had  slowly increased  and                                                                    
was currently 71  percent (there had been  a slight decrease                                                                    
in the past year). He noted  that further work was needed as                                                                    
71  percent was  not satisfactory.  He moved  to a  chart on                                                                    
slide  11   that  showed  APS   eligibility  and   year  one                                                                    
utilization.  The large  bronze  colored  bar indicated  the                                                                    
number  of  graduates,  the middle  bar  indicated  eligible                                                                    
graduates,  and the  smallest bar  indicated  the number  of                                                                    
students eligible for  the APS. The department  was seeing a                                                                    
higher percentage of students  accepting the scholarship. He                                                                    
considered  the  increase  a success,  given  that  students                                                                    
qualifying for  the highest level scholarship  typically had                                                                    
other options for colleges and universities nationwide.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:47:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki  observed that  the total  number of                                                                    
students  receiving the  APS appeared  to  be declining.  He                                                                    
asked for an explanation.  Commissioner Hanley answered that                                                                    
it  was  more  accurate   to  consider  the  percentage.  He                                                                    
explained that  the number of graduates  was also declining;                                                                    
even though the graduation  rate remained fairly consistent,                                                                    
there  were  fewer  students.  The  percentage  of  students                                                                    
accepting  the  APS was  remaining  relatively  the same  at                                                                    
about 11 percent.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley turned  to a pie chart on  slide 12 that                                                                    
showed  the   department's  total  employees.   The  largest                                                                    
portion of  the pie was made  up of 126 employees  housed in                                                                    
the Goldbelt Building in Juneau.  The department had a total                                                                    
of 360  employees. The Division of  Libraries, Archives, and                                                                    
Museums had 65 employees, ACPE  had 106 employees and worked                                                                    
largely  off   of  receipts,  and   Mt.  Edgecumbe   had  55                                                                    
employees.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman  asked the  department to  avoid the  use of                                                                    
acronyms on  its slides. Commissioner Hanley  explained that                                                                    
Educational   Support  Services   (ESS)  and   Teaching  and                                                                    
Learning Support (TLS) fell under  the Goldbelt category. He                                                                    
listed   the  divisions   and  their   acronyms:  Libraries,                                                                    
Archives,   and   Museums   (LAM);   Professional   Teaching                                                                    
Practices   Commission   (PTPC);    Alaska   Commission   on                                                                    
Postsecondary Education (ACPE); and  Alaska State Council on                                                                    
the Arts (ASCA).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman  asked about the percentage  of students who                                                                    
went to high school and  later completed a four-year college                                                                    
program.  Commissioner  Hanley  did not  have  the  specific                                                                    
details.  He discussed  that with  a  71 percent  graduation                                                                    
rate, the  state had  one of the  lowest college  and career                                                                    
going  rates in  the country.  He added  that the  number of                                                                    
college students  graduating in  six years  was also  not as                                                                    
high.  He believed  the  issue  was a  focus  for ACPE,  the                                                                    
university, and DEED.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman  surmised that the  number was less  than 10                                                                    
percent. Commissioner Hanley agreed.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Neuman believed  the low  rate contributed  to the                                                                    
importance of vocational education programs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:52:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  asked how many students  had received                                                                    
the  scholarship  since  the program's  beginning  and  were                                                                    
still on the path to graduating from college in four years.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley replied  that the  APS report  had just                                                                    
recently been completed by ACPE.  He relayed that the report                                                                    
would be available  in the near future. He did  not have the                                                                    
number on hand.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Wilson  noted   that   the   data  in   the                                                                    
presentation only included the  first year. She wondered how                                                                    
many  students remained  in the  second,  third, and  fourth                                                                    
years. Commissioner  Hanley agreed that it  was an important                                                                    
statistic.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman requested a copy  of the information when it                                                                    
was available.  Commissioner Hanley  affirmed that  he would                                                                    
provide  the  committee  with  the  report  from  ACPE  when                                                                    
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara addressed  that  ACPE  ran the  student                                                                    
loan  program.  He  remarked  that   the  state  was  having                                                                    
difficulty getting people careers  either through college or                                                                    
job training  programs. He  noted that  the load  applied to                                                                    
both scenarios. He  detailed that the federal  loan rate was                                                                    
4.6 percent  and a  used car  loan was  3 percent  or lower,                                                                    
whereas the  state loan  rate was  6.6 percent.  He wondered                                                                    
why the  rate was so  high and  asked if the  department had                                                                    
plans to do anything about it.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  agreed that the  rate was high  and was                                                                    
probably  a disincentive  for many  students. He  noted that                                                                    
his two children had found better rates for college loans.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman thought the percentage was in statue.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara  believed   the   percentage  was   in                                                                    
regulation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  deferred the  question to  the director                                                                    
of ACPE for further detail.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman remarked that the  legislature had worked on                                                                    
using the  state's bonding agency  to get very  low interest                                                                    
rates the previous  year. He thought if the  effort could be                                                                    
combined for  postsecondary education  loans the  rate could                                                                    
be   as  low   as  3   percent.  He   believed  there   were                                                                    
opportunities that existed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  noted  that  the  bonding  bill  would                                                                    
reduce  the rate  by  slightly less  than  1 percent,  which                                                                    
would still be high. He relayed  that he had a bill, but was                                                                    
waiting  for a  proposal from  the department  to lower  the                                                                    
rates.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:55:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thompson  asked  about  the  graduation  rate  for                                                                    
students  taking  longer than  four  years  to graduate.  He                                                                    
asked about  the percentage of  students who  received GEDs.                                                                    
Commissioner  Hanley replied  the graduation  rate was  only                                                                    
slightly  higher   for  fifth  and  six-year   students.  He                                                                    
remarked that  the goal  was to  move students  through high                                                                    
school efficiently  in a period  of four years.  He believed                                                                    
students  taking   longer  than   four  years   to  graduate                                                                    
represented a success story because  they had stayed engaged                                                                    
to  get  their degree.  He  communicated  that the  GED  was                                                                    
operated  through  the  Department of  Labor  and  Workforce                                                                    
Development. He did not have the data on hand.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thompson asked  the department to follow  up on his                                                                    
question related to the GED.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  asked   how  the  state  tracked                                                                    
students  who  left the  system  (e.g.  students who  moved,                                                                    
joined  the military,  or  other). He  did  not believe  the                                                                    
department tracked  the students.  He wondered if  there had                                                                    
been further efforts to track the students.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley replied that  the department tracked the                                                                    
information to  the best  of its  ability. Absent  a request                                                                    
for records the  department did not know what  happened to a                                                                    
student who  stopped coming  to school;  DEED did  not track                                                                    
the students  down. He  added that  typically a  student who                                                                    
dropped  out  of  high  school   did  not  qualify  for  the                                                                    
military; the qualifications were increasing.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:58:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Saddler  referred to the 71.8  percent graduation                                                                    
rate in 2013.  He wondered if the rate  was Alaska's highest                                                                    
rate and how it compared to other states.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley replied  that  he believed  it was  the                                                                    
highest  rate the  state  had achieved.  He  noted that  the                                                                    
number  was  slightly  lower  than  other  states.  However,                                                                    
Alaska was  one of about  23 states  that had a  high stakes                                                                    
exit exam;  therefore, when compared in  that regard, Alaska                                                                    
was slightly  higher. He believed  that with the  removal of                                                                    
the High  School Graduation  Qualifying Exam  he anticipated                                                                    
that the graduation rate would  improve by up to 10 percent.                                                                    
He expounded  that the  removal of  the qualifying  exam was                                                                    
removing a barrier to graduation  and the resulting increase                                                                    
would mean success had been  achieved. However, it did allow                                                                    
the  department to  compare the  state nationally  to states                                                                    
without high stakes exams.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Saddler asked if there  was a statewide target to                                                                    
reach a graduation rate of  80 percent by 2020. Commissioner                                                                    
Hanley replied that the target was 90 percent by 2020.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Saddler  commented that a significant  portion of                                                                    
the increase could  come with the removal of  the exit exam.                                                                    
Commissioner Hanley  replied that  he had never  brought the                                                                    
topic up  when discussing the  exit exam because  he thought                                                                    
it was time  for the test to  go. He believed it  acted as a                                                                    
barrier  for too  many of  the state's  students. He  agreed                                                                    
that it would improve the  graduation rate, but that was not                                                                    
the reason to remove the exam.  He had wanted to prevent the                                                                    
topic  from   driving  the  conversation  because   it  felt                                                                    
artificial.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:01:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman did  not believe any other  state could have                                                                    
an education system that was as diverse as Alaska's.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Munoz spoke  to the effect of  the removal of                                                                    
the  graduation exit  exam. She  wondered if  the graduation                                                                    
rate data  included the GED. Commissioner  Hanley replied in                                                                    
the negative. He  explained that students who  get their GED                                                                    
had dropped out  of high school and were no  longer on track                                                                    
to receive  a diploma.  He believed it  was a  success story                                                                    
when a person continued on  with their education to at least                                                                    
receive their GED.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Munoz  looked  at  slide 5  related  to  the                                                                    
Division of  Teaching and Learning Support.  She referred to                                                                    
the  89  budgeted positions  and  remarked  that the  figure                                                                    
($237 million)  represented a small  portion of  the overall                                                                    
budget. She  wondered if  the money  was passed  through the                                                                    
division to  school districts. Ms.  Teshner replied  that 87                                                                    
percent  of the  division's  budget was  federal money  that                                                                    
went to grantees.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  pointed to slide 13  showing a breakout                                                                    
of the  department's budget by core  services. Public school                                                                    
funding  represented  the  majority of  the  budget.  Budget                                                                    
accountability  and  compliance  included  the  department's                                                                    
assessment    programs.   He    highlighted   that    school                                                                    
effectiveness  programs  accounted  for  2  percent  of  the                                                                    
department's  budget  and  included   the  state  system  of                                                                    
support,  mentors, the  literacy  institute responsible  for                                                                    
training teachers in reading techniques,  and the APS cohort                                                                    
funded  through  ACPE.  Active  partnerships  represented  4                                                                    
percent  of the  department's budget  and included  the Arts                                                                    
Council, Parents as Teachers, Best Beginnings, and ANSEP.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley moved  to slide 14 related to  the FY 16                                                                    
work  in   progress  budget,  which  included   school  debt                                                                    
reimbursement  totaling   $128  million.   The  department's                                                                    
budget  was  divided between  the  K-12  formula and  agency                                                                    
operations.  The K-12  formula programs  accounted for  $1.4                                                                    
billion of the  $1.7 billion budget. He  furthered that K-12                                                                    
programs  received  $20  million  in  federal  funds,  while                                                                    
agency  operations received  $211  million. Federal  funding                                                                    
included  the child  nutritional services  program, Carl  D.                                                                    
Perkins  Career  and  Technical Education  Improvement  Act,                                                                    
Individuals with  Disabilities Education  Act, and  No Child                                                                    
Left  Behind.   He  highlighted   that  2  percent   of  the                                                                    
department's budget  was paid for with  interagency receipts                                                                    
from teacher certification and AMHTA funds.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley addressed an  operating overview for all                                                                    
funds  on slide  15. He  elaborated that  95 percent  of the                                                                    
funds  went  out  in  grants, 2  percent  went  to  personal                                                                    
services,    and    3    percent   went    to    contractual                                                                    
responsibilities such as  assessment contracts and contracts                                                                    
for mentors and coaches.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:06:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley turned  to slide  16 related  to agency                                                                    
operations.  He relayed  that  DEED  agency operations  only                                                                    
accounted for 5 percent of  general fund expenditures. A pie                                                                    
chart on the right showed  agency operations by fund source:                                                                    
68 percent  federal funds, 24  percent general funds,  and 8                                                                    
percent other funds.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley provided budget  highlights on slide 17.                                                                    
He spoke to  forward funding of the  K-12 foundation formula                                                                    
and  communicated that  the governor  had proposed  shorting                                                                    
the   forward  funding   by  10   percent.  He   believed  a                                                                    
conversation  would  take  place   on  the  topic  over  the                                                                    
upcoming  weeks.  He  addressed  K-12  boarding  home  grant                                                                    
funding;  HB 278  [education omnibus  bill  passed in  2014]                                                                    
designated that  the DEED  commissioner would  annually open                                                                    
an  application  period  for   new  boarding  home  programs                                                                    
(previously it  had been at the  commissioner's discretion).                                                                    
He  communicated  that  one  program   in  Bethel  had  been                                                                    
approved in the  past year; the $736,100  request was before                                                                    
the legislature.  There had also  been a slight  increase to                                                                    
the  Nenana  program.  He detailed  that  the  schools  were                                                                    
approved  for  a certain  student  count;  the schools  were                                                                    
allowed to  exceed the specified  number, but the  state did                                                                    
not  pay  above  the  specific  amount.  He  explained  that                                                                    
Nenana's program  had been successful  and had  the capacity                                                                    
to  add students.  The  Alaska  Higher Education  Investment                                                                    
Fund was  a combination  of the  APS and  the AlaskAdvantage                                                                    
Education Grants.  He elaborated  that AlaskAdvantage  was a                                                                    
needs-based grant  program. The  two programs  had a  two to                                                                    
one  ratio  (currently $500,000  for  APS  and $250,000  for                                                                    
AlaskAdvantage).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  discussed  the  Professional  Teaching                                                                    
Practices Commission on slide 17.  He relayed that the State                                                                    
Board of Education,  based on intent language  from the past                                                                    
year, had recently implemented a  new regulation to increase                                                                    
teacher  and administrator  certification  fees. The  intent                                                                    
language  spoke to  the Professional  Teaching Practices  as                                                                    
being  self-sufficient  and  supported fully  by  fees  from                                                                    
education professionals. The proposal  was currently out for                                                                    
public  comment   and  would  change  the   five-year,  $125                                                                    
certification  fee   to  $200.   The  adjustment   had  been                                                                    
determined by  what it would  take to make  the Professional                                                                    
Teaching  Practices  Commission  self-sufficient.  He  noted                                                                    
that  the department  was receiving  numerous comments  from                                                                    
teachers  on  the  proposed   change.  The  Alaska  Learning                                                                    
Network  (AKLN) one-time  funds from  the previous  year had                                                                    
been included  again in the governor's  proposed budget. The                                                                    
funds had  been $850,000  the previous year;  he anticipated                                                                    
that as the administration  moved towards reducing its work-                                                                    
in-progress budget, he believed  the number would be reduced                                                                    
slightly to allow the program  to continue more efficiently.                                                                    
He  shared   that  the   program  was   increasing  advanced                                                                    
placement classes  and was increasing training  for teachers                                                                    
providing   the  advanced   classes.   The  department   was                                                                    
finishing up an Alaska studies  course that was required for                                                                    
high school graduation. He believed  it could be the "go-to"                                                                    
course as  opposed to  having districts  using one  of their                                                                    
own teachers to teach  the course. The course implementation                                                                    
had  been  delayed  because   cultural  knowledge  had  been                                                                    
incorporated;  a good  portion of  the course  was a  gaming                                                                    
platform. He  elaborated that the department  was working to                                                                    
ensure that the interaction  was all culturally accurate. He                                                                    
believed  the  course  would  be  a  tremendous  asset.  The                                                                    
learning  network recognized  that  districts  had to  allow                                                                    
students  to test  out of  courses; the  department believed                                                                    
AKLN could offer some of  the courses to save districts from                                                                    
developing their own.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:11:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  continued  to  address  slide  17.  He                                                                    
explained  that  if a  student  knew  the  first half  of  a                                                                    
course's material, but  did not receive the  score needed to                                                                    
test out, the  student could have the option  of taking only                                                                    
the  second  half of  the  course.  He believed  it  greatly                                                                    
supported districts  and saved them from  developing some of                                                                    
the assessments.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Teshner addressed  slide 18 that pertained to  the FY 16                                                                    
governor endorsed budget. She  noted that the amended budget                                                                    
would be  published sometime the  following week.  The slide                                                                    
showed  that  the  department  would  receive  a  5  percent                                                                    
reduction from  the work-in-progress budget: a  $2.8 million                                                                    
reduction  for  non-formula  programs, and  a  $9.4  million                                                                    
reduction  from   formula  programs.  She   elaborated  that                                                                    
decrements  to  foundation programs,  pupil  transportation,                                                                    
and  special schools  were driven  by the  updated projected                                                                    
need  based  on  student  counts. She  reiterated  that  the                                                                    
reductions  would be  reflected  in  the governor's  amended                                                                    
budget.  Slides  19 through  23  had  been provided  by  the                                                                    
Legislative Finance Division. She pointed  to a bar graph on                                                                    
slide  19  pertaining  to  non-formula  general  funds:  the                                                                    
purple  bars represented  the  department's  budget and  the                                                                    
blue  line  represented  the  percent  of  the  DEED  budget                                                                    
compared to  the total agencies' budgets.  For example, DEED                                                                    
had represented 2.2  percent of the statewide  budget in the                                                                    
FY 15 management plan.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Teshner  remarked that the  graphs on slides  20 through                                                                    
22  were distorted  because they  included the  K-12 aid  to                                                                    
school districts.  She elaborated that the  inclusion of the                                                                    
aid to  school districts made  the other items appear  to be                                                                    
flat  funded. She  pointed  to  a funding  spike  in aid  to                                                                    
districts in FY  15, which was caused  primarily by one-time                                                                    
increments  in  the  FY  15   through  FY  17  budgets.  She                                                                    
explained that  the governor was  removing the FY 16  and FY                                                                    
17 one-time items.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  added  that  the reduction  in  FY  16                                                                    
reflected the  removal of  one-time funds  that had  been in                                                                    
the FY  15 budget. He  stated that the budget  had increased                                                                    
over  the  past ten  years,  but  the  funding had  gone  to                                                                    
students;  the  remainder  of  department  expenditures  had                                                                    
remained relatively flat.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Teshner  addressed  slide 21.  She  detailed  that  the                                                                    
purple  line  represented  Teaching  and  Learning  Support,                                                                    
which  had  increased  slightly.   The  chart  on  slide  22                                                                    
reflected  all  formula  programs, general  fund.  Slide  23                                                                    
represented  agency operations  (all non-formula  programs).                                                                    
She noted that  the slide showed how each  of the components                                                                    
had changed.  She pointed  to a  green line  associated with                                                                    
Alaska Library  and Museums and explained  that the increase                                                                    
resulted from  a $5 million  increment for  broadband, which                                                                    
had been provided by HB 278 the prior year.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman asked for a  brief update on the lawsuit the                                                                    
Ketchikan Gateway  Borough had brought against  the State of                                                                    
Alaska.  Commissioner Hanley  replied that  a press  release                                                                    
had been  published earlier in  the day specifying  that the                                                                    
state would  appeal the  case to  the Alaska  Supreme Court;                                                                    
the state had also requested  a stay until the completion of                                                                    
the appeal. He  could not elaborate on  specific details due                                                                    
to the  active status of  the litigation. He  discussed that                                                                    
the  judge had  not declared  that local  contributions were                                                                    
unconstitutional   or   illegal;   the   problem   was   the                                                                    
methodology  Alaska   used  that  determined  the   fund  as                                                                    
dedicated. The department disagreed  with the ruling and was                                                                    
appealing. He  was not suggesting  that the state  should do                                                                    
anything  differently; he  anticipated it  would be  granted                                                                    
the stay  and that  it would have  the opportunity  to argue                                                                    
the  case before  the state  supreme court.  He believed  it                                                                    
would be one to two years before anything was decided.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Neuman asked  what would  happen if  Ketchikan won                                                                    
the lawsuit.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley answered  that it  would be  up to  the                                                                    
legislature to  determine the options. He  detailed that the                                                                    
judge had clearly  stated in his finding that  the state was                                                                    
not  obligated  to  take  full  responsibility  for  funding                                                                    
education  and  that  it was  acceptable  to  request  local                                                                    
contributions.   He  furthered   that   there   was  not   a                                                                    
requirement  to suddenly  replace  the  $200 (plus)  million                                                                    
that was under discussion in  the case. However, there would                                                                    
need  to be  decisions made  about what  the state  would do                                                                    
next,  whether  the legislature  would  change  the way  the                                                                    
formula  worked,  recognizing   the  responsibility  for  an                                                                    
equalized formula.  He spoke  to digging  into conversations                                                                    
about  how the  formula  was  done and  how  the funds  were                                                                    
collected.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:19:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman  believed it was  prudent to have a  plan in                                                                    
place to prepare for the ruling.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg   referenced  the  commissioner's                                                                    
earlier testimony  related to  boarding schools  and Nenana;                                                                    
specifically that a  boarding school's funding was  set at a                                                                    
precise  student  count. He  detailed  that  a school  could                                                                    
increase its  number of students,  but to  receive increased                                                                    
funding  they  had  to  come  back  to  the  department  for                                                                    
approval. He wondered  if the issue was  outlined in statute                                                                    
or regulation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  believed  the issue  was  outlined  in                                                                    
regulation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman thought the issue  was in statute (resulting                                                                    
from legislation sponsored by Senator John Coghill).                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
LES MORSE, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND                                                                    
EARLY DEVELOPMENT, replied that  the programs operated under                                                                    
an approved application through  the department. Schools had                                                                    
come to  the board  in the past  to request  increased beds;                                                                    
the  board could  increase the  beds, but  increased funding                                                                    
required legislative approval.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  commented  that  Nenana  had  an                                                                    
existing boarding  school and Bethel  was opening  a school.                                                                    
He discussed  that the Nenana  school had a  specific number                                                                    
of beds and  students. He wondered what would  happen to the                                                                    
funding  level  if  the number  of  students  increased.  He                                                                    
wondered if  the school was  reimbursed. He did not  want to                                                                    
hinder the success of programs.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley did not believe  it was a hindrance. The                                                                    
schools presented  their desired  number of  students, which                                                                    
was  approved  by the  department.  He  opined that  it  was                                                                    
healthy  to  understand  the  desired  number  in  order  to                                                                    
discuss increments.  He elaborated  that a school  needed to                                                                    
make  an  intentional decision  to  increase  its number  of                                                                    
students and the  decision needed to be  communicated to the                                                                    
department. He  added that  there had never  been much  of a                                                                    
delay in  the process; the  school could go directly  to the                                                                    
board and then  the request would go to  the legislature the                                                                    
following session. He concluded  that the department did not                                                                    
fund above what it had already approved.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:22:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  hoped  numbers would  be  run  through                                                                    
school   districts  prior   to  the   finalization  of   the                                                                    
governor's budget.  He cited  that according  to Legislative                                                                    
Research Services the  state had lost over  600 teachers and                                                                    
staff  from  FY 11  to  FY  14.  He  stated that  under  the                                                                    
legislature's  plan  (without  the  governor's  amendments),                                                                    
Fairbanks was facing  between 35 and 70  layoffs, Mat-Su was                                                                    
roughly $3 million short in  the next school year of meeting                                                                    
the current  level of education,  and Anchorage  expected to                                                                    
lose  an  additional  200  to 220  teachers  and  staff.  He                                                                    
stressed  that  the  department  had  proposed  to  cut  the                                                                    
funding even  more. He wondered how  educational achievement                                                                    
would increase  with the  numerous staff  cuts. He  asked if                                                                    
the  department  would  speak  to  school  districts  before                                                                    
finalizing the proposal.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley   replied  that  the  numbers   he  had                                                                    
discussed with superintendents in  Mat-Su and Anchorage were                                                                    
different  than  those  mentioned  by  Representative  Gara.                                                                    
Nonetheless, it was easy to  quantify what a $32 million cut                                                                    
would  do  to  school   districts.  He  furthered  that  the                                                                    
department had broken  the data out by  school district; the                                                                    
cuts  would also  impact local  contributions. He  expounded                                                                    
that when the state removed  a certain portion for districts                                                                    
receiving  local contribution  it had  a multiplier  effect.                                                                    
The department had  been asked to present a 5  percent and 8                                                                    
percent cut; it  had provided the data,  recognizing that it                                                                    
did not represent  5 to 8 percent of  DEED's overall budget.                                                                    
He  continued  that the  cut  represented  $2.8 million.  He                                                                    
stated that if deeper cuts  were desired the cuts would come                                                                    
from money the department  provided to school districts. The                                                                    
department  had  discussed  the   cost  to  students,  jobs,                                                                    
communities, and other.  He knew the governor  was not happy                                                                    
about what he put forward; but  the governor felt it was his                                                                    
responsibility to  do so  in order to  lead the  way towards                                                                    
living within the state's means.  He recognized it was not a                                                                    
cut  anyone  wanted  to  make;  he was  well  aware  of  the                                                                    
implications and  the impacts  that the  cut would  have. He                                                                    
stated that  the department's budget had  increased steadily                                                                    
over  years. He  also had  great concern  over the  cuts. He                                                                    
relayed  that   the  budget  had  been   finalized  and  the                                                                    
department was working on the numbers.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:26:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Neuman noted  that no one had expected  the drop in                                                                    
oil prices. He reasoned that  if money was not available, it                                                                    
could not be spent.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson referred  back to  the Ketchikan  law                                                                    
suit. She  stated that  it would not  only be  $220 million.                                                                    
She believed impact aid would  be figured differently if the                                                                    
lawsuit  was to  be held.  She remarked  that the  Fairbanks                                                                    
North Star Borough received much  more impact aid because it                                                                    
paid into the system. She  wondered how much the state would                                                                    
be  looking at.  She referred  to $190  million versus  $220                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  agreed  that  to  have  the  equalized                                                                    
formula, impact  aid was figured  differently. There  was no                                                                    
way to  know what  the number would  be without  knowing the                                                                    
next steps;  it depended  on what  the legislature  chose as                                                                    
the next  step and plan.  He guessed  that if the  state did                                                                    
nothing  it would  have to  see about  getting an  equalized                                                                    
formula.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson surmised  that the  state would  keep                                                                    
100 percent of the impact  aid versus the percentage it took                                                                    
currently. She asked for verification  that there would be a                                                                    
whole different  way of calculating  the formula  because it                                                                    
had  more to  do with  the disparity  versus the  impact aid                                                                    
itself.   Commissioner    Hanley   believed   Representative                                                                    
Wilson's  description  was  the  concept at  a  high  level;                                                                    
however, meeting the requirements was a very complex                                                                            
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Neuman believed  that the  information would  be a                                                                    
large  part  of  the  ongoing  discussion  when  working  to                                                                    
establish where the state would  be three to five years down                                                                    
the road. He discussed the schedule for the following day.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:29:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:29 p.m.                                                                                          

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